“Locking jaw” lies and the rabbit hole of hate

*To those already familiar with these types of people: Please read my commentary at the bottom, numerous worthy points are discussed…


^You may also notice that the “lady” (quotes will make sense later) that fired back at me actually has a Pit Bull-type dog as her icon. Hmm, I thought. So I clicked on her profile, surprise, I should have known…


There was also this…


And this, right out and on the front…


So wow, this post, which was meant for 1 purpose, is now going to take on 2 topics… The “locking jaw” stuff is pretty fleshed out in the first image. That stands on its own. What is highly disturbing though is that there are actually people out there like Debbie Bell who devote their entire energy towards disingenuously villainizing Pit Bulls. Some of the most vile and cruel blogs on the entire internet exist for this purpose alone. Many of the same people, under different aliases, run them. I’m not claiming Debbie is actually a fake person or profile, but you simply gotta look at the company she keeps and put it on the table…

As you can see with her enlarged profile image, “Harve Morgan” (aka H.P. Morgan) also makes an appearance in the comments. Just go ahead and Google “Harve Morgan, Pit Bull.” Click on any of the links and go directly to the “comments” section, he’ll be all over each without fail. There’s a small group of them, and they all have multiple fake profiles and basically “Catfish” the internet, supporting each other and looking for any incident supposedly involving a Pit Bull… When they find one the script is simple: Troll through the comments and spout their vague and disturbing garbage. They not only insert their own flawed (and all-encompassing, overtly cruel) talking points, but they purposely argue with Pit Bull owners, argue with Pit Bull supporters, deflect any and all questions, ignore points, repeat themselves, stereotype all people who have their own Pit Bulls as “gangbangers” or “criminals” (notice a trend?), refer to anyone not agreeing with them as “nutters,” and so on and so forth.

Now I acknowledge that there’s also people that a 3rd party could define as “Pit Bull supporters” that go onto these things and do many of the same things that I just detailed, irrationally pissing back and forth with a group of known irrational pissers. I grant you that. The difference is that they aren’t supporting the mass murder of an entire anything, nor are they stereotyping groups and moving to unjustly demonize them. What they are doing is not communicating well enough and letting their emotions get the best of them. That’s the difference.

What’s interesting though, and consider yourself warned, is that you can now see some of these Pit Bull-hating individuals actually abandoning their outright and nasty calls for total breed bans (i.e. “All Pit Bulls deserve to die because they are vicious killers”) and moving instead to the softer talking points that PETA actually uses… “Euthanasia for their own good,” “Mercy killings,” “They are victims too and we need to protect them by killing them,” “Let’s kill them all now so none potentially ever have to suffer later,” and so on and so forth. This type of language allows people to pose as compassionate while also wielding an ax and having the blood lust to repeatedly swing it. Both tones have the same goal: Ban and eliminate Pit Bulls. For example, PETA supports breed bans, they just doublespeak while pushing the ban.

And now, as you can see with Debbie above, she openly goes out of her way to state right there on the front of her profile: “Don’t ban the breed, but do ban their breeding.” Wow. Some people aren’t sophisticated enough to realize that these things are actually the same thing. If mandated effectively, one gets rid of all tomorrow and the other gets rid of all within a single life cycle. Same goal, different time frames. She then goes on to state that with discrimination-based mandatory sterilization laws all dogs will win, “especially the tortured Pit Bulls.” Ugh… By being culled and killed? They win? By being con-gamed into disappearing forever? They win?

Just know… To all of you folks that see all of the Pit Bulls in the shelters, see the abhorrent killing that routinely is initiated instead of life-saving programs that are proven to massively decrease killing, see the failures of the human element (neglect, abuse, exploitation) and would then actually move to talk yourself into a breed- or type-specific sterilization law in order to curb it: Just know that you would be aligning your position (albeit unbeknownst to you) with this anti-Pit Bull crowd, the ones that I’ve taken this opportunity to attempt to detail. Please ponder that. This is an essential message and everyone needs to hear it and understand it.

People from all corners of animal avocation may move to say that I “support breeders” then… How? My own dogs are spayed and neutered, Sway was, and it is a consistent recommendation that I make to others. If this is truly about mandating that dogs be sterilized, and that that’s the single answer to “overpopulation” (claimed by many), then bump the “breed-” or “type-specific” part of any proposed law. Make all dogs undergo a mandatory sterilization and we’ll see how happy people are when in 10 years dogs, as a whole, are extinct (PETA would actually love this, as their overall goal is to end the idea of having pets altogether). And when talking about this you must convey a nationwide or worldwide theme, and assume it would be carried out efficiently, even if the law or idea is only being proposed in random spots. As MLK said, “Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.” That applies. You fight bans in one spot, even if you are unaffected in a far off and different spot. Critics will say that dogs will never be extinct, even if a mandatory spay/neuter law is put forth and flawlessly enforced in 90% of American cities. That isn’t the point, is it? Those critics are missing (or ignoring) the point!

So that’s simply an example meant to get people to think about this stuff. I don’t support a mandatory anything, because it routinely shows that more laws (poorly aimed, poorly enforced) discourage ownership and increase abandonment, which in this current sheltering culture increases killing. Los Angeles is a prime example. But to those people that do: At least be aware that disingenuous and disgusting Pit Bull-haters are moving to mask their message in an effort to blend in with your good intentions. Think on this.

16 Responses so far.

  1. Heather Reynolds says:

    Very well said Mr. Liddy. My husband and I have had pit bulls since we got married. My 10 year old that passed away last year was just such a sweetheart. He was a Canine Good Citizen and I can't imagine the joy people would have missed out on if he was not allowed to exist.

  2. Cheryl Gavreluk says:

    Josh Liddy you ROCK! You speak pitbull wisdom and many could learn from your posts on this page. Thank You for backing up the truly beautiful and loving voiceless ones.
    Debbie Bell…girl you need to educate yourself on pitbulls and who they really are. You have been mislead by too many small minded people and media articles told by those who are misjudging this breed of dog. Most of the pitbull haters have been influenced by these stupid people yet they have never encountered a pitbull or owned one. Social media is having a big impact on how we perceive the pitbull breed and it is all in a good way.
    I lived with 3 pitbulls and never once did I ever experience locked jaw or any aggressive behaviour by these amazing dogs. I can’t even complain when they would lick all my makeup off when they were giving some of the best kisses ever. They are truly an amazing dog. Don’t rip yourself off…..go hug a pibull and be prepared for a huge wall of love that comes crashing down on you. You will be overwhelmed by their inner beauty. .

  3. Bonnie Baker says:

    I do wonder about population control and spay/neuter programs. my concerns are with, for the dog species as a whole, the gene pool being diminished even further. whilst the focus is still on appearance, with the different breeds, other factors are being ignored. it is getting a bit better but its not getting better via greater understanding and compassion from the general public, unfortunately. concerning pit bulls, and more specifically staffordshire bull terriers for the UK, we have seen a massive boom in these breeds since the bans and forced spay/neuter and bad press has started… if you put out there that the population needs to be reduced that far of COURSE people won't want to spay or neuter their dogs because there's a bloody witch hunt on them, and they don't want them to die out. it's a vicious circle.

  4. ♡myPITS says:

    ONE MORE thing
    I was bit in the face when I was a child 37 stitches on my cheek 4 next to my nose
    It was a dang sharpei
    Just had to add that
    A dog bite victem whom LOVES the pits 🙂

  5. Meghan Miller says:

    Question: Do Pit Bulls have locking jaws?

    Answer: Prepared by:
    Al W. Stinson, D.V.M.
    Director of Legislative Affairs, Michigan Association for Pure Bred Dogs, and the Michigan Hunting Dog Federation, and a Member of the Board of Directors of the American Dog Owners Association

    The following quote was sent to me from Dr. Howard Evans, Professor Emeritus, College of Veterinary Medicine at Cornell University, Ithaca New York. We were colleagues in the veterinary college for four years. He is the author of the textbook, ANATOMY OF THE DOG, (the world’s definitive work on the anatomy of the dog). His statement was in a letter addressed to me on March 26. 2002. His quote was: “I have spoken with [Dr.] Sandy deLahunta (the foremost dog neurologist in the country) and [DR.] Katherine Houpt (a leading dog behaviorist) about a jaw locking mechanism in pit bulls or any other dog and they both say, as do I, that there is NO SUCH THING AS “JAW LOCKING” IN ANY BREED.

    We all agree that the power of the bite is proportional to the size of the jaws and the jaw muscles. There is no anatomical structure that could be a locking mechanism in any dog.” As a Professor Emeritus from the College of Veterinary Medicine at Michigan State University, I agree completely with their conclusion.

  6. Tegan says:

    Though I don’t support anything of what “Debbie Bell” says, I can’t help but be reminded of the (more sensibility presented) arguments that Terrierman puts forward. He feels that the pit bull breeding community is letting down ‘their breed’ but allowing so many to be euthed in shelters. You can read more here: http://terriermandotcom.blogspot.com.au/2009/10/pit-bull-community-fails-pit-bull.html

  7. Jen Johnson says:

    Pitbulls are not alligators.. People abuse and exploit these dogs to no end and its got to stop. I am on several pitbull facebook pages trying to bring awareness of these dogs. I own a pitbull and she is the love of my life. Any person with reason and logic can google the ” locking jaw” of a person holding a pitbull skull.. Surprise surprise it doesnt lock.. They have jaw strength. A break stick is used to pry their jaws open when they are holding onto something. People need to be educated.

  8. […] “Locking jaws” lies and the rabbit hole of hate. […]

  9. […] AND NEUTER OF PIT BULLS. This is what I’ve been trying to point out for some time now, see here & here & here. Breed or type-specific mandatory spay and neuter laws are being proposed […]

  10. Josh Liddy is the voice of compassion where there is none. Yes there is a problem. It’s called irresponsibility. Killing/genocide of pit bulls is not the answer. There will always be a replacement breed for this tyoe of hysteria. The answer lies in education, awareness and understanding. I will never rest as long as there are those who would take my best friend from me just to soothe their own irrational fears.

  11. […] I quickly left the below comment, and sure as the sun rises in the morning, out popped “Debbie Bell” and her diarrhetic canvasing of the comment section. Those unfamiliar with Ms. Bell, […]

  12. Nicole H. says:

    I have also come in contact with Harve Morgan. Posing as an ACO in a closed group. He is the nutter. Period.

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